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Re: Page size

markjmeans
 

As an aside…

 

Treaties with the United States have to be officially ratified before they become law. Neither an ambassador, nor President, no matter their intention, can by themselves give a treaty the force of law. There are quite a number of them, including practically every UN treaty signed by the US. Lots of people make the mistake of thinking that if a treaty is signed by a President or Ambassador, even if the treaty was authored by a the US and proposed to the UN security council of the United Nations by the US that it has the force of law in the United States. It usually doesn’t. Individual appointed or elected people simply don’t have that authority. So anyone in the US worried about UN resolutions being used to, for example to take away their guns, have very little to worry about. International law by treaty, as a rule of thumb, simply doesn’t apply here unless the treaty is actually passed the formal treaty ratification process under the US Constitution, which is rare.

 

The Treaty of the Meter (or Metre Convention) was apparently never ratified and therefore carries no force of law. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_treaties. I suspect the reasons that the US hasn’t adopted A4 paper are complex, but involve a few key issues that I can think of starting with:

 

The distance of a meter is just as arbitrarily chosen as the definition of a foot or mile. Historically, the meter was originally defined as one ten-millionth the distance from the north pole to the equator. That distance is dependent on exactly which North Pole you measure from and to where on the equator you measure it. And though this has been better defined since then, the discussion had already ended and there was no reason why US citizens would prefer one arbitrary measurement system over another. Now it’s 1/299,792,458 of the distance travelled at the speed of light for one second in a vacuum. Clearly chosen as a number close to the actual mean distance which is the basis of the system. But since then the international definition of a length of a time a second is was changed; therefore affecting the length of a meter again. No matter how you define a meter, it’s still an arbitrary measurement system.

 

1) US citizens tend to take offense at perceived arbitrary government laws (especially international ones) as a violation of the free market and a kind of totalitarianism, no matter how well intentioned.

 

2) There is no (internal to the US) market advantage to change. On the contrary there is a big market disadvantage of added competition if they have to compete with international suppliers and no demand side reason from citizens wanting A4 paper or metric lengths or weights of lumber or metals.

 

3) There is no government issued fines for any business or person NOT using metric to compel the citizens to change. (See #1 above).

 

4) Any such treaty like the Treaty of the Meter becoming force of law in the US might actually be impossible to ratify without a US Constitutional Amendment due to limits of the Commerce Clause and the fact that such a treaty would be in effect a restraint of trade between the various states, giving an arbitrary advantage to one or more states and a disadvantage to others.

 

I suspect that the only way it could change here would be for enough individual states to pass laws giving incentives to change to metric. When enough of the states and population have changed and it becomes ubiquitous it would bypassing the US constitutional argument and permit a federal law to officially legislate the change for the benefit of the country and force the few remaining states into compliance. But I don’t see that happening in my lifetime (optimistically another 50 years).

 

Mark

 

 

From: main@pcgen.groups.io <main@pcgen.groups.io> On Behalf Of Paul Grosse via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 6:06 AM
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: Re: [pcgen] Page size

 

Yea and the US's official measurement system is Metric, but try telling that to the private industry that doesn't have to deal with government work. Carter and the Congress should have shoved it through and forced industry to change instead of making it voluntary.

 

Also I have strong feelings about this. :)

 


Paul A. Grosse

 

 

On Thursday, January 3, 2019, 8:02:07 AM EST, Andrew W <andrew@...> wrote:

 

 

The ISO standard paper size has been officially adopted in every country in the world except Canada and the US.

 

In Mexico, Costa Rica, Colombia, Venezuela, Chile, and the Philippines, the US letter format is still in common use, despite their official adoption of the ISO standard.

 

--

  Andrew Wilson

 

 

 

On Thu, 3 Jan 2019, at 9:24 AM, Terry Jordan wrote:

G'day Happy New Year,

 Some  silly people live down under (Australia) and we use A4 paper.  Yes its based upon the metric metre.

 

 

 


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maybe bug? #pathfinder

Eric
 

So I just started doing up a Kineticist (Earth), and was trying to add "Pushing Infusion", but it isn't showing in my list as available (showing the unqualified ones gives the below quoted bit).

Haven't gone looking into the files (not sure where to start), but noticed this in it's description:

> Pushing Infusion
> Type: Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent Aether. Infusion Wild Talent Air
> Requirements: either ( var: KineticistLVL_Aether at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Air at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Water at least 1 )
> Description: Element aether, air, earth, or water;
[snip]

(theres a separate entry for Wood too, so that one is there)
So it looks like it should show up as an Earth option too, although it doesn't look like the pre-req is there?

Noticed a minute ago that I was trying on RC2, so I did just update to RC3, but the issue's still there.

As far as replicating:
(add Occult Adventures source from the Paizo list if you dont already have it)
new Pathfinder character,
pick a race,
add 1 lv Kineticist,
set your Element to Earth (feats&abilities - class features - Kineticist Element)
Kineticist Infusion Wild Talent should now have the Pushing Infusion option listed if you have Qualified clicked in

If anyone wants to point me to what/where to edit for the quick fix until it makes the next release, I can do that for now :)


Re: maybe bug? #pathfinder

Eric
 

I think I'm looking at the right area here...
blahblah/pcgen/data/pathfinder/paizo/roleplaying_game/occult_adventures/oa_abilities_class.lst

line 687, a bit in:
PREMULT:1,[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Aether,1],[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Air,1],[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Water,1]

If I'm reading that right, just add ",[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Earth,1]" ?

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:11 PM Eric via Groups.Io <1ballistic1=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

So I just started doing up a Kineticist (Earth), and was trying to add "Pushing Infusion", but it isn't showing in my list as available (showing the unqualified ones gives the below quoted bit).

Haven't gone looking into the files (not sure where to start), but noticed this in it's description:

> Pushing Infusion
> Type: Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent Aether. Infusion Wild Talent Air
> Requirements: either ( var: KineticistLVL_Aether at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Air at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Water at least 1 )
> Description: Element aether, air, earth, or water;
[snip]

(theres a separate entry for Wood too, so that one is there)
So it looks like it should show up as an Earth option too, although it doesn't look like the pre-req is there?

Noticed a minute ago that I was trying on RC2, so I did just update to RC3, but the issue's still there.

As far as replicating:
(add Occult Adventures source from the Paizo list if you dont already have it)
new Pathfinder character,
pick a race,
add 1 lv Kineticist,
set your Element to Earth (feats&abilities - class features - Kineticist Element)
Kineticist Infusion Wild Talent should now have the Pushing Infusion option listed if you have Qualified clicked in

If anyone wants to point me to what/where to edit for the quick fix until it makes the next release, I can do that for now :)


Re: maybe bug? #pathfinder

Paul Grosse
 

That looks right. :)


Paul A. Grosse


On Thursday, January 3, 2019, 2:24:29 PM EST, Eric <1ballistic1@...> wrote:


I think I'm looking at the right area here...
blahblah/pcgen/data/pathfinder/paizo/roleplaying_game/occult_adventures/oa_abilities_class.lst

line 687, a bit in:
PREMULT:1,[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Aether,1],[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Air,1],[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Water,1]

If I'm reading that right, just add ",[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Earth,1]" ?

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:11 PM Eric via Groups.Io <1ballistic1=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

So I just started doing up a Kineticist (Earth), and was trying to add "Pushing Infusion", but it isn't showing in my list as available (showing the unqualified ones gives the below quoted bit).

Haven't gone looking into the files (not sure where to start), but noticed this in it's description:

> Pushing Infusion
> Type: Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent Aether. Infusion Wild Talent Air
> Requirements: either ( var: KineticistLVL_Aether at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Air at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Water at least 1 )
> Description: Element aether, air, earth, or water;
[snip]

(theres a separate entry for Wood too, so that one is there)
So it looks like it should show up as an Earth option too, although it doesn't look like the pre-req is there?

Noticed a minute ago that I was trying on RC2, so I did just update to RC3, but the issue's still there.

As far as replicating:
(add Occult Adventures source from the Paizo list if you dont already have it)
new Pathfinder character,
pick a race,
add 1 lv Kineticist,
set your Element to Earth (feats&abilities - class features - Kineticist Element)
Kineticist Infusion Wild Talent should now have the Pushing Infusion option listed if you have Qualified clicked in

If anyone wants to point me to what/where to edit for the quick fix until it makes the next release, I can do that for now :)


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--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


Re: maybe bug? #pathfinder

Andrew Maitland
 

Is this a bug? Open a JIRA and we'll fix it. Just cite the source on what it says (Should be) and what the exact issue is today (What it currently is).

As long as the rules permit, you get a fix. Anything else is a homebrew change, and we cannot enact those.

JIRA -> https://pcgenorg.atlassian.net


Cheers,

Andrew

On 1/3/2019 11:28 AM, Paul Grosse via Groups.Io wrote:
That looks right. :)


Paul A. Grosse


On Thursday, January 3, 2019, 2:24:29 PM EST, Eric <1ballistic1@...> wrote:


I think I'm looking at the right area here...
blahblah/pcgen/data/pathfinder/paizo/roleplaying_game/occult_adventures/oa_abilities_class.lst

line 687, a bit in:
PREMULT:1,[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Aether,1],[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Air,1],[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Water,1]

If I'm reading that right, just add ",[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Earth,1]" ?

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:11 PM Eric via Groups.Io <1ballistic1=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

So I just started doing up a Kineticist (Earth), and was trying to add "Pushing Infusion", but it isn't showing in my list as available (showing the unqualified ones gives the below quoted bit).

Haven't gone looking into the files (not sure where to start), but noticed this in it's description:

> Pushing Infusion
> Type: Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent Aether. Infusion Wild Talent Air
> Requirements: either ( var: KineticistLVL_Aether at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Air at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Water at least 1 )
> Description: Element aether, air, earth, or water;
[snip]

(theres a separate entry for Wood too, so that one is there)
So it looks like it should show up as an Earth option too, although it doesn't look like the pre-req is there?

Noticed a minute ago that I was trying on RC2, so I did just update to RC3, but the issue's still there.

As far as replicating:
(add Occult Adventures source from the Paizo list if you dont already have it)
new Pathfinder character,
pick a race,
add 1 lv Kineticist,
set your Element to Earth (feats&abilities - class features - Kineticist Element)
Kineticist Infusion Wild Talent should now have the Pushing Infusion option listed if you have Qualified clicked in

If anyone wants to point me to what/where to edit for the quick fix until it makes the next release, I can do that for now :)


--
--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


Re: maybe bug? #pathfinder

Eric
 

just submitted it

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 10:30 PM Andrew Maitland via Groups.Io <drew0500=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Is this a bug? Open a JIRA and we'll fix it. Just cite the source on what it says (Should be) and what the exact issue is today (What it currently is).

As long as the rules permit, you get a fix. Anything else is a homebrew change, and we cannot enact those.

JIRA -> https://pcgenorg.atlassian.net


Cheers,

Andrew

On 1/3/2019 11:28 AM, Paul Grosse via Groups.Io wrote:
That looks right. :)


Paul A. Grosse


On Thursday, January 3, 2019, 2:24:29 PM EST, Eric <1ballistic1@...> wrote:


I think I'm looking at the right area here...
blahblah/pcgen/data/pathfinder/paizo/roleplaying_game/occult_adventures/oa_abilities_class.lst

line 687, a bit in:
PREMULT:1,[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Aether,1],[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Air,1],[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Water,1]

If I'm reading that right, just add ",[PREVARGTEQ:KineticistLVL_Earth,1]" ?

On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:11 PM Eric via Groups.Io <1ballistic1=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

So I just started doing up a Kineticist (Earth), and was trying to add "Pushing Infusion", but it isn't showing in my list as available (showing the unqualified ones gives the below quoted bit).

Haven't gone looking into the files (not sure where to start), but noticed this in it's description:

> Pushing Infusion
> Type: Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent. Infusion Wild Talent Aether. Infusion Wild Talent Air
> Requirements: either ( var: KineticistLVL_Aether at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Air at least 1, var: KineticistLVL_Water at least 1 )
> Description: Element aether, air, earth, or water;
[snip]

(theres a separate entry for Wood too, so that one is there)
So it looks like it should show up as an Earth option too, although it doesn't look like the pre-req is there?

Noticed a minute ago that I was trying on RC2, so I did just update to RC3, but the issue's still there.

As far as replicating:
(add Occult Adventures source from the Paizo list if you dont already have it)
new Pathfinder character,
pick a race,
add 1 lv Kineticist,
set your Element to Earth (feats&abilities - class features - Kineticist Element)
Kineticist Infusion Wild Talent should now have the Pushing Infusion option listed if you have Qualified clicked in

If anyone wants to point me to what/where to edit for the quick fix until it makes the next release, I can do that for now :)


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--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


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Board meeting - 01.12.2019 #bodmeeting

Paul Grosse
 
Edited

PCGen Board will be conducting a public meeting for the project, and release schedule. 14:00 UTC 01-12-2019 (9am EST) See link for local time:
 
 
Since Discord seems to have the most public accessibility - we will host the meeting in the board_meetings channel:
 
Use that link for access.
 
See you all there.
 
AGENDA:
1) Release of RC4
2) Roadmap 6.10/7.00 (Commitments & Progress)
3) Content PR reviewers (Covering for Andrew next 3 months)
4) Public Q&A

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--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


Is there a priority for updating the PCGen documentation?

robert@...
 

The PCGen documentation is a bit out of date.


Re: Is there a priority for updating the PCGen documentation?

Paul Grosse
 

Avilay is currently working on updating the documentation.
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--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


Re: Board meeting - 01.12.2019 #bodmeeting

Paul Grosse
 

Reminder, Board Meeting tomorrow morning everyone is welcome although please wait and ask questions and comments till the public section starts. Helps keep the log cleaner.

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--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


Mac OS Java Errors

irkmiller1964
 

Could use some help trying to get the software to run on my Mac.

So far, I have been unable to get a console window for Java. From what I've been able to determine, it doesn't show on the Mac unless a Java program is already running, which makes checking the Java console problematic if you can't get the program in question to run.

BUT....

I was able to finally figure out how to try and start it from the Terminal Command line and get some feedback:

I am running Java 8 update 191. Attempting to run the pcgen.jar I get the 

Error: A JNI error has occurred, please check your installation and try again

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: pcgen/system/Main has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 55.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0

at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:763)

at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:142)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:467)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:73)

at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:368)

at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:362)

at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:361)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:424)

at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:349)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:357)

at sun.launcher.LauncherHelper.checkAndLoadMain(LauncherHelper.java:495)


Re: Mac OS Java Errors

Eric
 

depending what version of PCGen you're trying to run:


Prerequisites:

Java 11 aka Java 55 aka 18.09 or 18.10. (Including OpenJDK 11 variants)

PCGEN 6.08.00 RC2 is not compatible with Java 10 (or earlier) and it is NOT SUPPORTED. To get the latest version of Java, go to AdoptOpenJDK. PCGen has been tested with OpenJDK and AdoptOpenJDK Java 11 (including the JRE). We decided to use Java 11 as this is a 3-year supported (Long Term Support), Java 8 is no longer updated.


if you already have Brew.sh installed, that's definitely the easiest way (if not, it's not hard, just a big download+big install process)



On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:33 AM irkmiller1964 <irkmiller@...> wrote:
Could use some help trying to get the software to run on my Mac.

So far, I have been unable to get a console window for Java. From what I've been able to determine, it doesn't show on the Mac unless a Java program is already running, which makes checking the Java console problematic if you can't get the program in question to run.

BUT....

I was able to finally figure out how to try and start it from the Terminal Command line and get some feedback:

I am running Java 8 update 191. Attempting to run the pcgen.jar I get the 

Error: A JNI error has occurred, please check your installation and try again

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: pcgen/system/Main has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 55.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0

at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:763)

at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:142)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:467)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:73)

at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:368)

at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:362)

at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:361)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:424)

at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:349)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:357)

at sun.launcher.LauncherHelper.checkAndLoadMain(LauncherHelper.java:495)


Re: Mac OS Java Errors

javydreamer
 

Don't remember the cutoff version, but the current one only runs on Java 11 as indicated in the release notes. 


On Tue, Jan 15, 2019, 5:41 AM Eric <1ballistic1@... wrote:
depending what version of PCGen you're trying to run:


Prerequisites:

Java 11 aka Java 55 aka 18.09 or 18.10. (Including OpenJDK 11 variants)

PCGEN 6.08.00 RC2 is not compatible with Java 10 (or earlier) and it is NOT SUPPORTED. To get the latest version of Java, go to AdoptOpenJDK. PCGen has been tested with OpenJDK and AdoptOpenJDK Java 11 (including the JRE). We decided to use Java 11 as this is a 3-year supported (Long Term Support), Java 8 is no longer updated.


if you already have Brew.sh installed, that's definitely the easiest way (if not, it's not hard, just a big download+big install process)



On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:33 AM irkmiller1964 <irkmiller@...> wrote:
Could use some help trying to get the software to run on my Mac.

So far, I have been unable to get a console window for Java. From what I've been able to determine, it doesn't show on the Mac unless a Java program is already running, which makes checking the Java console problematic if you can't get the program in question to run.

BUT....

I was able to finally figure out how to try and start it from the Terminal Command line and get some feedback:

I am running Java 8 update 191. Attempting to run the pcgen.jar I get the 

Error: A JNI error has occurred, please check your installation and try again

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: pcgen/system/Main has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 55.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0

at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:763)

at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:142)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:467)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:73)

at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:368)

at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:362)

at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)

at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:361)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:424)

at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:349)

at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:357)

at sun.launcher.LauncherHelper.checkAndLoadMain(LauncherHelper.java:495)


Re: Mac OS Java Errors

Paul Grosse
 

We really need to get a dedicated Mac developer involved with the project. If you know any send them our way. :)

--
--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


Re: Mac OS Java Errors

Timothy Reaves
 

I’m a Mac developer.

I just looked at the Jira instance, and looked for anything labeled as Mac; didn’t see anything.  Are Mac-related issues denoted any particular way?



On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Paul Grosse via Groups.Io <nylanfs@...> wrote:

We really need to get a dedicated Mac developer involved with the project. If you know any send them our way. :)

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--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


Re: Mac OS Java Errors

Paul Grosse
 

The problem the issues are realated to the release process for the most part. There's a Slack team invite coming your way.


Paul A. Grosse


On Friday, January 18, 2019, 4:54:04 PM EST, Timothy Reaves <treaves@...> wrote:


I’m a Mac developer.

I just looked at the Jira instance, and looked for anything labeled as Mac; didn’t see anything.  Are Mac-related issues denoted any particular way?



On Jan 16, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Paul Grosse via Groups.Io <nylanfs@...> wrote:

We really need to get a dedicated Mac developer involved with the project. If you know any send them our way. :)

--
--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


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--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


Re: Mac OS Java Errors

Eitan Adler
 

(groups.io is broken - please make sure to reply to me directly as well)

I run pcgen on a mac. If you could point me at stuff that's broken
that would be great.


On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 07:02, Paul Grosse via Groups.Io
<nylanfs@...> wrote:

We really need to get a dedicated Mac developer involved with the project. If you know any send them our way. :)

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--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


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Re: Mac OS Java Errors

Paul Grosse
 

Is that better Eitan?
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