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Re: More issues with RC2

William LaSalle
 

I have tested on multiple vm now and a couple of 2012 and 2016 servers in our dc with none of these issues including one server in Portuguese 


On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM markjmeans <markjmeans@... wrote:

Hi Russell,

 

That’s not my experience with German and Dutch OEM editions of Windows when using HP business class printers. (I’ve built about a dozen systems for a European reseller of mine that were resold to his customers, using Windows 7 and 8). None of my customers reported to me that they had to change the paper size (which I expect would have been the case during the end users initial training since I didn’t specifically set any of those properties during the installation). Though to be fair, perhaps a sample size of a dozen nearly identical installations cannot be assumed to be indicative of common experience.

 

In my own testing, I only found issues with paper size in the reverse of what I described when I was testing various localizations of my Windows application in XP. In that testing I used a US/English version of Windows XP and installed the multi-language pack to get the internationalization controls for date formats, number separators, keyboard layouts, etc. rather than installing the German and Dutch specific versions of XP. This was also tested with US/English versions of windows 7 Ultimate which had the ability to add German and Dutch language packs. In those cases, the printer drivers, when installed, defaulted to US/English settings even though the current Windows language was set to German or Dutch. It seems to me that something internal to Windows specified that English was to be used be English was the core OS install. And since I didn’t have any A4 paper I never had to change anything. I can only guess that something like that may have happened in your case or perhaps the drivers for your specific printer or the printer’s firmware (if the page size settings are held in the printer itself) were not specifically localized to your country. I would also guess that this kind of issue (defaulting to Letter page size even when installed on a EU language OS) would be more likely on lower end printers or lower end printer manufacturers. But without specifically testing an identical setup to yours, I don’t have an specific explanation for your experience.

 

That all being said, as you indicated that you can select the printer default in the OS and then the application honored it. This is in fact all I’m asking PCGen to do. Honor the OS specified setting upon installation. But still allow the user to select something else if they wish. PCGen shouldn’t be locked to the OS setting. Ideally, PCGen upon first run should be fully functional and localized to whatever the user’s OS specifies at the time PCGen is installed as long as PCGen fully supports that localization. The preferences dialogs should not even need to be opened except in special circumstances.

 

Mark

 

 

From: main@pcgen.groups.io <main@pcgen.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:42 AM
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: Re: [pcgen] More issues with RC2

 

Never had an issue with printing, and as a non american, I have never had a single microsoft product select A4 as the correct paper, instead always defaulting to US letter, so it seems harsh to expect different from pcgen. Changing the printer defaults in the OS does seem to do the job most of the time.


Re: More issues with RC2

Tom
 

I used to use Open Office for a long time and was constantly having to switch the paper size to US Letter while it constantly switched back to A4. I live in the US, installed on a US version of Windows 10 and had the UK English dictionary installed into Open Office for the language support in my dealing with UK companies. I understand from reading the rest of this topic that you have not had that experience. You have had the default for Windows appear nearly every time. I've check my default settings on both my business class HP printer and Windows and in other programs and they seem to not have the problem that Open Office was having. Yes, I did check my Open Office default settings and they were set to US Letter for default page size. Why would I have that problem if all my defaults were set to US/English with only the dictionaries for British/English being loaded? Genuinely curious as I've had the same problem with Apache Office and LibreOffice to the point where I have had to uninstall and reinstall without those dictionaries in all three programs to get the problem removed. No, I have not loaded Windows with anything other than US/English as the default settings, ever.

Something else that I have noticed in the things that you have typed, and it begs a question: Do you program as your main job? (no need to answer in a reply) If so then you are paid directly for the work that you have done. Those things with VB and C++ were your main source of income. My understanding of the PCGen Dev team is this is secondary to their primary income. Meaning they can't singularly focus on the issues that are not inherent to the main functionality as you have done in your work. If it were their only means of income then I would agree with you that tighter integration with the OS might be more of a priority. Keep in mind that each OS, as you probably know, has its own issues with integration. That in mind keeping something that is to be OS neutral has its issues with something as simple as reading default paper sizes across the differing OS. It would necessitate a much larger download and server space then their received donations allow.

Please do not read this as an attack just an outsider reading this thread and noticing some glaring things that seem to be missing from the discussion. I see your point Mark. I also see the point of Andrew. Somewhere in the middle is where the development of the program to try and meet the needs of the developers and players.


Re: More issues with RC2

Frost
 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 03:21 PM, markjmeans wrote:
In case it isn't clear, if anyone has taken my comments as a personal attack, I'm sorry. It's is not my intent. Though I will not change my behavior to be excessively passive or sensitive in order to eliminate that possibility.

And I hope you don't expect the rest of us to change our behaviours toward people who seem to think they are talking to a corporate support team who are getting paid to do any of this regarding a product for which you have paid handsomely. If you acknowledge that it's likely your comments are being misconstrued as "personal attack", "trying to disparage anyone's effort", "derogatory or accusatory", yet refuse to alter your communication style, don't expect anyone to be all that receptive to what you have to say.  You don't need to be excessively passive or sensitive to achieve respectful conversation.

I am surprised this discussion continues.  The entry in the uninstall isn't the right number. That's not a tragedy, and definitely not worth a bolded opinion to delay release. 

Your paper size isn't automatically selected.  Sounds like you just need to pay more attention when you're printing - especially when you are so acutely aware that the default setting with PCGen (at least on Windows) is A4.  I use another piece of software that frustrated me the same way for all of 10 seconds until I went and changed the default paper size (it is irfanView, btw).  I fully expect that this is a Java peculiarity in that there is the layer between the OS and the application and it doesn't have full awareness of its host environment (without extra programming, perhaps?).  It would explain the similar behaviour of OpenOffice, too (something I'd be much more inclined to believe people print from more frequently than PCGen).

My appreciation goes out to the people who do the programming for this product.


Re: More issues with RC2

markjmeans
 

Hi Tom,

 

In C# what I’m asking for is extremely simple when called from the main thread as long as no program call was used to set the current culture prior to this call. The main thread starts with the current OS specified culture setting. Child threads inherit the current setting of the calling thread.

 

                string paperSize = (System.Threading.Thread.CurrentThread.CurrentCulture.Name == “en-US”) ? “Letter” : “A4”;

 

To instead get the setting of the default printer you would use:

 

                string paperSize = System.Drawing.Printing.PaperSize.PaperName;

 

If this is not possible in Java, then fine. If it is that easy, well….

 

Mark

 

 

From: main@pcgen.groups.io <main@pcgen.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:54 PM
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: Re: [pcgen] More issues with RC2

 

I used to use Open Office for a long time and was constantly having to switch the paper size to US Letter while it constantly switched back to A4. I live in the US, installed on a US version of Windows 10 and had the UK English dictionary installed into Open Office for the language support in my dealing with UK companies. I understand from reading the rest of this topic that you have not had that experience. You have had the default for Windows appear nearly every time. I've check my default settings on both my business class HP printer and Windows and in other programs and they seem to not have the problem that Open Office was having. Yes, I did check my Open Office default settings and they were set to US Letter for default page size. Why would I have that problem if all my defaults were set to US/English with only the dictionaries for British/English being loaded? Genuinely curious as I've had the same problem with Apache Office and LibreOffice to the point where I have had to uninstall and reinstall without those dictionaries in all three programs to get the problem removed. No, I have not loaded Windows with anything other than US/English as the default settings, ever.

Something else that I have noticed in the things that you have typed, and it begs a question: Do you program as your main job? (no need to answer in a reply) If so then you are paid directly for the work that you have done. Those things with VB and C++ were your main source of income. My understanding of the PCGen Dev team is this is secondary to their primary income. Meaning they can't singularly focus on the issues that are not inherent to the main functionality as you have done in your work. If it were their only means of income then I would agree with you that tighter integration with the OS might be more of a priority. Keep in mind that each OS, as you probably know, has its own issues with integration. That in mind keeping something that is to be OS neutral has its issues with something as simple as reading default paper sizes across the differing OS. It would necessitate a much larger download and server space then their received donations allow.

Please do not read this as an attack just an outsider reading this thread and noticing some glaring things that seem to be missing from the discussion. I see your point Mark. I also see the point of Andrew. Somewhere in the middle is where the development of the program to try and meet the needs of the developers and players.


Re: More issues with RC2

markjmeans
 

Hi Frost,

 

Facts and opinions are just that. In the past “some” people have told me that I was too blunt and should phrase things differently to coerce them. I think changing what someone communicates in order to coerce someone else into a specific way of thinking is fundamentally dishonest. It’s better to give facts, clearly stated opinion, and reasoned logic wherever possible. If the result is hard for someone to accept, then so be it. I would hope the vast majority of people can take what I write as though it were an observation of a perceived problem. Nothing more. With no emotion at all.


I will speak and write plainly to convey my meaning. If someone takes offense because I am blunt, so be it. It’s on them. I do not accept the end justifying the means. In a similar vein, if someone asks me “how do I look”, they should be prepared to accept an honest answer, good or bad. I will not lie just to protect someone feelings, whatever they might or might not be.

 

I disagree, obviously, about the uninstall entry. Small things that are easy to fix should always be given the highest priority. If it were built with a Visual Studio Installer Project it would be as simple as replacing a single string in the project properties dialog. A grand total of no more than 30 seconds of work. “Great things are done by a series of small things put together” – Vincent Van Gogh.

 

Concerning your comment about, and I paraphase, paying more attention when printing; the whole point of any software is to make some task easier for the user by automation. The issue with the paper size in the USA has been an issue for decades since localized versions of DOS (and other later operating systems for home users) and helps a large segment of the user base from accepting a substandard visual printout, many of which may never even notice that it is substandard. And some of which will see a printout from Hero Lab and decide to use that. I’m not saying that someone will make a decision solely on the appearance of the printout, but it is all the little things that come together when a person decides what software they want to use. All those little things together are important.

 

The same thing applies with the uninstaller in Windows. A user that has hundreds of programs installed may or may not see it in the uninstall list in Windows simply because it is not listed as PCGen. Since users may have multiple versions installed at the same time, the product name entry in the uninstall list should contain the word “PCGen” followed by the version number, such as “PCGen 6.08.00RC1”. This, by the way should also be the label on the desktop icon. Apt-get packages in Linux are a strongly named with version numbers, it is conspicuous that the package for Windows is not.

 

Mark

 

 

From: main@pcgen.groups.io <main@pcgen.groups.io> On Behalf Of Frost
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 8:46 PM
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: Re: [pcgen] More issues with RC2

 

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 03:21 PM, markjmeans wrote:

In case it isn't clear, if anyone has taken my comments as a personal attack, I'm sorry. It's is not my intent. Though I will not change my behavior to be excessively passive or sensitive in order to eliminate that possibility.

And I hope you don't expect the rest of us to change our behaviours toward people who seem to think they are talking to a corporate support team who are getting paid to do any of this regarding a product for which you have paid handsomely. If you acknowledge that it's likely your comments are being misconstrued as "personal attack", "trying to disparage anyone's effort", "derogatory or accusatory", yet refuse to alter your communication style, don't expect anyone to be all that receptive to what you have to say.  You don't need to be excessively passive or sensitive to achieve respectful conversation.

I am surprised this discussion continues.  The entry in the uninstall isn't the right number. That's not a tragedy, and definitely not worth a bolded opinion to delay release. 

Your paper size isn't automatically selected.  Sounds like you just need to pay more attention when you're printing - especially when you are so acutely aware that the default setting with PCGen (at least on Windows) is A4.  I use another piece of software that frustrated me the same way for all of 10 seconds until I went and changed the default paper size (it is irfanView, btw).  I fully expect that this is a Java peculiarity in that there is the layer between the OS and the application and it doesn't have full awareness of its host environment (without extra programming, perhaps?).  It would explain the similar behaviour of OpenOffice, too (something I'd be much more inclined to believe people print from more frequently than PCGen).

My appreciation goes out to the people who do the programming for this product.


Re: More issues with RC2

markjmeans
 

Hi William,

 

Thank you for checking, but I’m unclear on what you have confirmed….

 

Are you saying that with Portuguese specific version of Windows Server 2012/2016 that Portuguese (or international) versions of Microsoft Office and other MS softwares all default to A4 without issue; and, when using US/English versions of Windows Server 2012/2016 and US/English or international versions of that the same softwares default to Letter?

 

Or are you saying that in your testing that Portuguese versions of Windows or other MS software is always defaulting to A4?

 

Any discrepancy in the coding of this default setting would be specific to the software. The traditional way is to write the software to be responsive to the locale by querying the default printer’s driver to provide the page size setting, and if that fails or there is no default printer installed, to rely on the Windows current culture setting and default to Letter only for US-English and A4 everywhere else. This only happens upon installation and from that point forward it is usually under user control. Long ago, printers used fan-fold perf paper and the setting was even more important than it is today, especially for business forms, invoices, etc. So professional international softwares usually tried to default to the appropriate page size. That standard has endured in most softwares, but perhaps not necessarily in new software; at least not until someone points it out.

 

Mark

 

 

From: main@pcgen.groups.io <main@pcgen.groups.io> On Behalf Of William LaSalle
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 1:00 PM
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: Re: [pcgen] More issues with RC2

 

I have tested on multiple vm now and a couple of 2012 and 2016 servers in our dc with none of these issues including one server in Portuguese 

 

On Mon, Dec 17, 2018, 1:42 AM markjmeans <markjmeans@... wrote:

Hi Russell,

 

That’s not my experience with German and Dutch OEM editions of Windows when using HP business class printers. (I’ve built about a dozen systems for a European reseller of mine that were resold to his customers, using Windows 7 and 8). None of my customers reported to me that they had to change the paper size (which I expect would have been the case during the end users initial training since I didn’t specifically set any of those properties during the installation). Though to be fair, perhaps a sample size of a dozen nearly identical installations cannot be assumed to be indicative of common experience.

 

In my own testing, I only found issues with paper size in the reverse of what I described when I was testing various localizations of my Windows application in XP. In that testing I used a US/English version of Windows XP and installed the multi-language pack to get the internationalization controls for date formats, number separators, keyboard layouts, etc. rather than installing the German and Dutch specific versions of XP. This was also tested with US/English versions of windows 7 Ultimate which had the ability to add German and Dutch language packs. In those cases, the printer drivers, when installed, defaulted to US/English settings even though the current Windows language was set to German or Dutch. It seems to me that something internal to Windows specified that English was to be used be English was the core OS install. And since I didn’t have any A4 paper I never had to change anything. I can only guess that something like that may have happened in your case or perhaps the drivers for your specific printer or the printer’s firmware (if the page size settings are held in the printer itself) were not specifically localized to your country. I would also guess that this kind of issue (defaulting to Letter page size even when installed on a EU language OS) would be more likely on lower end printers or lower end printer manufacturers. But without specifically testing an identical setup to yours, I don’t have an specific explanation for your experience.

 

That all being said, as you indicated that you can select the printer default in the OS and then the application honored it. This is in fact all I’m asking PCGen to do. Honor the OS specified setting upon installation. But still allow the user to select something else if they wish. PCGen shouldn’t be locked to the OS setting. Ideally, PCGen upon first run should be fully functional and localized to whatever the user’s OS specifies at the time PCGen is installed as long as PCGen fully supports that localization. The preferences dialogs should not even need to be opened except in special circumstances.

 

Mark

 

 

From: main@pcgen.groups.io <main@pcgen.groups.io> On Behalf Of Russell
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2018 4:42 AM
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: Re: [pcgen] More issues with RC2

 

Never had an issue with printing, and as a non american, I have never had a single microsoft product select A4 as the correct paper, instead always defaulting to US letter, so it seems harsh to expect different from pcgen. Changing the printer defaults in the OS does seem to do the job most of the time.


Re: More issues with RC2

Anestis Kozakis <kenosti@...>
 



On Thu, 20 Dec 2018 at 15:36, markjmeans <markjmeans@...> wrote:

Hi Frost,

 

Facts and opinions are just that. In the past “some” people have told me that I was too blunt and should phrase things differently to coerce them. I think changing what someone communicates in order to coerce someone else into a specific way of thinking is fundamentally dishonest. It’s better to give facts, clearly stated opinion, and reasoned logic wherever possible. If the result is hard for someone to accept, then so be it. I would hope the vast majority of people can take what I write as though it were an observation of a perceived problem. Nothing more. With no emotion at all.


I will speak and write plainly to convey my meaning. If someone takes offense because I am blunt, so be it. It’s on them. I do not accept the end justifying the means. In a similar vein, if someone asks me “how do I look”, they should be prepared to accept an honest answer, good or bad. I will not lie just to protect someone feelings, whatever they might or might not be.


I am a blunt and to the point speaker.  Ask anyone who knows me.  However, I do not do it in the fashion you did.  I am still respectful and considerate.

You put a lot of people off (including me) by claiming how great a coder you are and the projects you worked on and blah blah blah.  You tried to elevate yourself above everyone else, proclaiming that you were better than everyone.

And you came across as dismissive to the development team of PCGen, who are volunteers.

I know a lot of coders and they never speak or even send e-mails like the ones you did.

I also know a lot of coders who know multiple programming languages, and they have no issues with switching between them, so your comment about "diluting your skills" or however you put it was very elitist.

You program in C#.  Big deal.  You don't need to laud it over them. and it doesn't make you an expert in Java.

You've worked on large scale development projects. Big deal.  So have these guys.  

If you called mny support line and spoke to me the way you spoke to the dev team, your issue and ticket would end up int he low priority queue.

Pull your head in re-evaluate the way you communicate.

As others have said, they have no issues with printing in PCGen and paper size selections (including myself).  Also, PCGen is a volunteer project.  Either submit a bug report to have the issue fixed, and someone will volunteer the time to do it, otherwise if it's that urgent to you, join the team and fix it yourself.

But don't sit there on your high horse and try to tell others how great you are and how bad they are.  That's disrespectful.

[SNIP]

 

Mark



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Re: More issues with RC2

Wireless Engineer
 


Re: More issues with RC2

Paul Grosse
 

I think we have beat this dead horse enough. Mark found some things that are an issue, he brought them up, they were discussed, and determined that they are a minor issue. Although we do need to make sure the uninstall entry is fixed for the production release.

Did Mark have issues conveying them in a socially acceptable manner? Yes, but from our discussions in the past that is how he is. I truly do NOT think he meant to come off sounding like he did in a written communication.

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--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


General Board Stuff

swiftbrook8
 

Just a few housekeeping comments:

1) It might be time to un-pin the 6.08 RC1 release tread as we are up to RC2 and very close to the production release.

2) I looked up the minutes for the last board meeting to find the expected 6.08 production release date.  Well I tried to.  The link is dead.  It may be wiki.pcgen.org is just bad or down.

3) Once the production release is up, I'm hoping to spend some of my Christmas break writing up the Ioun Stone resonance stuff.  Not fancy, like it will automatically add bonuses when slotted in a Wayfinder.  But just able to select a slotted stone and have the correct bonuses work like the old file did.


Re: General Board Stuff

Anestis Kozakis <kenosti@...>
 

Yes, thew website is down because the server is down due to technical issues on the webhosting comnpany's end, and their tech support are being annoyingly unhelpful.

Anestis.

On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 at 12:24, swiftbrook8 <swiftbrook@...> wrote:
Just a few housekeeping comments:

1) It might be time to un-pin the 6.08 RC1 release tread as we are up to RC2 and very close to the production release.

2) I looked up the minutes for the last board meeting to find the expected 6.08 production release date.  Well I tried to.  The link is dead.  It may be wiki.pcgen.org is just bad or down.

3) Once the production release is up, I'm hoping to spend some of my Christmas break writing up the Ioun Stone resonance stuff.  Not fancy, like it will automatically add bonuses when slotted in a Wayfinder.  But just able to select a slotted stone and have the correct bonuses work like the old file did.



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- Numenera Core RuleBook - Page 102


PCGen.org has been down for the last several days 12-22-18

robert@...
 

PCGen.org has been down for the last several days 12-22-18


Re: PCGen.org has been down for the last several days 12-22-18

Anestis Kozakis <kenosti@...>
 

More like a week and a bit.

We know, OK.  It's an issue on the webhosting company';s end.  They are being unhelpful support-wise.  I ahve made a complaint to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

As soon as we get it back up the data will be transferred to a new host.

Amestis.

On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 at 18:01, <robert@...> wrote:
PCGen.org has been down for the last several days 12-22-18



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Re: PCGen.org has been down for the last several days 12-22-18

Paul Grosse
 

There's a mirror site up at www.pc-gen.org
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Re: Pathfinder draconic Sorcerer troubles with equipment in 6.08.00 RC02 #pathfinder #bug

Tengu
 

I did sign up for this JIRA thing and opened a data bug. I hope I did it correctly.


PCGen 6.08.00RC3 Released! #facebook #releases

main@pcgen.groups.io Integration <main@...>
 

By PCGen

The PCGen Team is pleased to announce that PCGen v.6.08.00 RC3 has been released. We believe this to be a stable version for the next 6.08.00 Production Release.
PCGen v.6.08.00 RC3 Released!

http://pc-gen.org/2018/12/30/pcgen-v-6-08-00-rc3-released/


Fantasy Craft in PCGen, why yes! #craftygames #fantasycraft

main@pcgen.groups.io Integration <main@...>
 

By PCGen

Look what just popped up out of nowhere... :) #CraftGames #FantasyCraft

https://www.crafty-games.com/shop/fantasy-craft-pc-gen-upgrade/


Re: PCGen 6.08.00RC3 Released! #facebook #releases

markjmeans
 

Follow the link http://pc-gen.org/2018/12/30/pcgen-v-6-08-00-rc3-released/. Click on the Download Site link. Takes you to http://pc-gen.org/download/. On that page there is no link to RC3, only https://github.com/PCGen/pcgen/releases/tag/6.08.00RC2 instead.

 

 

 

From: main@pcgen.groups.io <main@pcgen.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:04 AM
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: [pcgen] PCGen #facebook

 

By PCGen

The PCGen Team is pleased to announce that PCGen v.6.08.00 RC3 has been released. We believe this to be a stable version for the next 6.08.00 Production Release.
PCGen v.6.08.00 RC3 Released!

http://pc-gen.org/2018/12/30/pcgen-v-6-08-00-rc3-released/


Re: PCGen 6.08.00RC3 Released! #facebook #releases

Paul Grosse
 

Didn't hit update on that page. refresh now

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Re: PCGen 6.08.00RC3 Released! #facebook #releases

David
 

Change the 2 to a 3:

https://github.com/PCGen/pcgen/releases/tag/6.08.00RC3


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On 2018-12-30 Sun 01:37 PM, markjmeans wrote:

Follow the link http://pc-gen.org/2018/12/30/pcgen-v-6-08-00-rc3-released/. Click on the Download Site link. Takes you to http://pc-gen.org/download/. On that page there is no link to RC3, only https://github.com/PCGen/pcgen/releases/tag/6.08.00RC2 instead.

 

 

 

From: main@pcgen.groups.io <main@pcgen.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 11:04 AM
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: [pcgen] PCGen #facebook

 

By PCGen

The PCGen Team is pleased to announce that PCGen v.6.08.00 RC3 has been released. We believe this to be a stable version for the next 6.08.00 Production Release.
PCGen v.6.08.00 RC3 Released!

http://pc-gen.org/2018/12/30/pcgen-v-6-08-00-rc3-released/