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Re: download size

Andrew Maitland
 

Probably including the JRE 11 for x86 and x64.

On 12/26/2019 4:36 PM, markjmeans wrote:

Why is 6.09.02 so huge compared to 6.08.000RC8 full? i.e. what is primarily responsible for the file size bloat?

 

download size

markjmeans
 

Why is 6.09.02 so huge compared to 6.08.000RC8 full? i.e. what is primarily responsible for the file size bloat?

 

Re: Any Reason To Stick With 6.08.00 RC8 When 6.09.02 Is Available?

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi Allen,

On 12/25/2019 7:50 PM, allencohn wrote:
I see that two new releases have come out. Yay!

I'm a little confused why there are two versions. Especially now that we're entering archive mode, is there any reason that I would want 6.08 when 6.09 is available?

Personal choice really. Want to use PF 2e? Then grab 6.09.

For example,

* Will 6.08 be more compatible with my legacy homebrew LST code?
The difference shouldn't be horrible, but 6.08 is the most "stable" release and incorporates the latest fixes, but we've discovered some bugs that are fixed in 6.09 (For example, the Age Category is acting up in 6.08, but works fine in 6.09)
* Will 6.09 be harder to install? (I know that there's all sorts of complexity with Java runtime...but the Windows installer seemed to make all that go away for 6.08...)

Shouldn't have any issues. Both versions use Java 11.

* Will 6.08 have fewer bugs?
Data bugs? I tried to keep them the same. With the 6.09 changes to UI it won't look as clean. But 6.08 is the production line, while 6.09 is newer features. Pathfinder 2e is currently built to run on 6.09, not 6.08 currently.
* Anything else?

I can't give an easy answer. 6.08 is smaller. Generally, I'd say use 6.08 as the "stable" production release. As we are winding down on progress with the java engine, I doubt there will be any significant movement on the development side of things. But if you find bugs and tie them to PF 2e functionality, then Bryan will fix them if possible.



Many thanks,

Allen

Any Reason To Stick With 6.08.00 RC8 When 6.09.02 Is Available?

allencohn
 

I see that two new releases have come out. Yay!

I'm a little confused why there are two versions. Especially now that we're entering archive mode, is there any reason that I would want 6.08 when 6.09 is available? For example,

* Will 6.08 be more compatible with my legacy homebrew LST code?
* Will 6.09 be harder to install? (I know that there's all sorts of complexity with Java runtime...but the Windows installer seemed to make all that go away for 6.08...)
* Will 6.08 have fewer bugs?
* Anything else?

Many thanks,

Allen

Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi,

Yes, I intend to do a final release of 6.08.00 when I'm happy with the fixes and ready to release it to the world. We won't leave people on RC7 with pending fixes...


On 12/20/2019 4:40 AM, robert@... wrote:
Will there be a final 6.08.00 Release to incorporate the fixes to RC7?

Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

Paul Grosse
 

Yes, once PF2 is in a stable and as complete as possible condition 6.08 will go through the release process and all bug fixes and finished datasets will be released.

~
Paul A. Grosse
PR Silverback
PCGen BoD



On Friday, December 20, 2019, 7:40:40 AM EST, <robert@...> wrote:


Will there be a final 6.08.00 Release to incorporate the fixes to RC7?

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@Nylanfs

Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

robert@...
 

Will there be a final 6.08.00 Release to incorporate the fixes to RC7?

Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

Steven High
 

So what would we need to do to assume the maintenance of the project. I do not have Java experience, but I have a lot of Systems experience and thus a lot of porting experience on many platforms with many languages---and obviously, I'm versed in shell and Perl and can hack my way through Python.

SFH


On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 at 06:26, Paul Grosse <main+owner@pcgen.groups.io> wrote:

It is with sad news the core team members of the PCGen BoD are stepping down (or handing off the reins to any new blood that wish to take up the challenge).

As of the release of the Pathfinder 2 datasets for 6.08.00 RC7, Andrew Maitland, the Data Lead (the core driving and unifying member of the BoD) will be ceasing any ongoing upkeep and direct involvement with the project. We hope this is accomplished by the end of the year (2019)

Paul Grosse the PR director will hang around and provide advice to anyone attempting to keep the project alive, but will also be limiting his involvement.

The core reasons for the project going dormant are the same as have been stated multiple times in the last year. The core Code Team have had attrition due to RL and nobody willing (or able) to pick up the code and run with it, and without the old time members to explain the code things are continually breaking, gating the releases. And the expected new math library to replace the woefully outdated JEP has never been able to get fully implemented (see above).

The Data team is in better shape because the data is generally easier for new users to start with. But again Andrew was the driving force and repository of why things were done the way they were.

We have had a fine 20 year run from the heady days of Bryan releasing hourly, then daily code updates, to the original D&D 3e SRD being released, through the choppy waters of getting hammered by WotC's refusal to consider the non-SRD info being included (prompting the formation of the separate corporation, Code Monkey Publishing), through the explosion of third party materials causing PCGen's code base to grow by leaps and bounds, though the formation of the 4e and the simultaneous rise of Pathfinder, Starfinder, and now the release of Pathfinder 2e.

Our website will remain up until such as a time that the host decides to quit maintaining it. Our forums have transitioned from Yahoo Groups to groups.io which are free and will continue, our discord channel will continue as long as there are people talking there, our old & broken wiki will be availible, and there is also a sub-reddit

If anyone wishes to they can take a look at the code here.

 

Paul Grosse (PR Silverback)

Posting on behalf of the Board of Directors.

Bryan McRoberts (Benevolent Dictator)
Martijn Verburg (Chair Monkey)
Andrew Maitland (Data Silverback)
Tom Parker (Code Silverback)
Gwen Thebich (Data 2nd)
Eitan Adler (Code 2nd)

Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

Teramis
 

Paul:
It is with sad news the core team members of the PCGen BoD are stepping down (or handing off the reins to any new blood that wish to take up the challenge).<
I just want to say a big THANK YOU for all the hard work you all put
into this project over the years. For a long time it filled a unique,
even pioneering role in making the trivia of game design manageable. I
used pcgen a lot in the early days, and have returned to it off and on
over the years whenever I had a big design project I needed to get a
handle on. I'm sorry to see this retired, but as a former sfw geek
myself, I fully appreciate the design and maintenance challenges that
have become so burdensome.

I wish you all the best, whatever you turn your creative and coding
talents toward next.

-Teramis

Deborah Teramis Christian
Game Designer & Novelist
http://www.storybones.net

Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

Jonathan Thompson
 

If he does plan to let me know and I will probably take over sponsorship of it 

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:12 AM Paul Grosse via Groups.Io <nylanfs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Honestly the website is pennies per year. Most of the traffic is through our mailing list here, and github. But it is maintained and paid for by Tom Parker. AFAIK he doesn't have any plans to shut it down, but who knows what the future holds.

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Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

Paul Grosse
 

Honestly the website is pennies per year. Most of the traffic is through our mailing list here, and github. But it is maintained and paid for by Tom Parker. AFAIK he doesn't have any plans to shut it down, but who knows what the future holds.

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--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs

Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

Ken Rhodes
 

Very sorry to hear about the project archival. I can totally relate, and I thank all those who have worked on this project over the years for doing what they've done to give us the best product they could. Please know that your efforts were appreciated, and I wish you all well.

Ken Rhodes



-------- Original message --------
From: "Paul Grosse via Groups.Io" <main+owner@...>
Date: 12/17/19 5:26 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: main@pcgen.groups.io
Subject: [pcgen] PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

It is with sad news the core team members of the PCGen BoD are stepping down (or handing off the reins to any new blood that wish to take up the challenge).

As of the release of the Pathfinder 2 datasets for 6.08.00 RC7, Andrew Maitland, the Data Lead (the core driving and unifying member of the BoD) will be ceasing any ongoing upkeep and direct involvement with the project. We hope this is accomplished by the end of the year (2019)

Paul Grosse the PR director will hang around and provide advice to anyone attempting to keep the project alive, but will also be limiting his involvement.

The core reasons for the project going dormant are the same as have been stated multiple times in the last year. The core Code Team have had attrition due to RL and nobody willing (or able) to pick up the code and run with it, and without the old time members to explain the code things are continually breaking, gating the releases. And the expected new math library to replace the woefully outdated JEP has never been able to get fully implemented (see above).

The Data team is in better shape because the data is generally easier for new users to start with. But again Andrew was the driving force and repository of why things were done the way they were.

We have had a fine 20 year run from the heady days of Bryan releasing hourly, then daily code updates, to the original D&D 3e SRD being released, through the choppy waters of getting hammered by WotC's refusal to consider the non-SRD info being included (prompting the formation of the separate corporation, Code Monkey Publishing), through the explosion of third party materials causing PCGen's code base to grow by leaps and bounds, though the formation of the 4e and the simultaneous rise of Pathfinder, Starfinder, and now the release of Pathfinder 2e.

Our website will remain up until such as a time that the host decides to quit maintaining it. Our forums have transitioned from Yahoo Groups to groups.io which are free and will continue, our discord channel will continue as long as there are people talking there, our old & broken wiki will be availible, and there is also a sub-reddit

If anyone wishes to they can take a look at the code here.

 

Paul Grosse (PR Silverback)

Posting on behalf of the Board of Directors.

Bryan McRoberts (Benevolent Dictator)
Martijn Verburg (Chair Monkey)
Andrew Maitland (Data Silverback)
Tom Parker (Code Silverback)
Gwen Thebich (Data 2nd)
Eitan Adler (Code 2nd)

Re: PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

robert@...
 

Will there be a way to contribute to keep the web sites up?

PCGen entering archive mode. #releases #volunteer

Paul Grosse
 
Edited

It is with sad news the core team members of the PCGen BoD are stepping down (or handing off the reins to any new blood that wish to take up the challenge).

As of the release of the Pathfinder 2 datasets for 6.08.00 RC7, Andrew Maitland, the Data Lead (the core driving and unifying member of the BoD) will be ceasing any ongoing upkeep and direct involvement with the project. We hope this is accomplished by the end of the year (2019)

Paul Grosse the PR director will hang around and provide advice to anyone attempting to keep the project alive, but will also be limiting his involvement.

The core reasons for the project going dormant are the same as have been stated multiple times in the last year. The core Code Team have had attrition due to RL and nobody willing (or able) to pick up the code and run with it, and without the old time members to explain the code things are continually breaking, gating the releases. And the expected new math library to replace the woefully outdated JEP has never been able to get fully implemented (see above).

The Data team is in better shape because the data is generally easier for new users to start with. But again Andrew was the driving force and repository of why things were done the way they were.

We have had a fine 20 year run from the heady days of Bryan releasing hourly, then daily code updates, to the original D&D 3e SRD being released, through the choppy waters of getting hammered by WotC's refusal to consider the non-SRD info being included (prompting the formation of the separate corporation, Code Monkey Publishing), through the explosion of third party materials causing PCGen's code base to grow by leaps and bounds, though the formation of the 4e and the simultaneous rise of Pathfinder, Starfinder, and now the release of Pathfinder 2e.

Our website will remain up until such as a time that the host decides to quit maintaining it. Our forums have transitioned from Yahoo Groups to groups.io which are free and will continue, our discord channel will continue as long as there are people talking there, our old & broken wiki will be availible, our Friends of PCGen FB page will continue, and there is also a sub-reddit

If anyone wishes to they can take a look at the code here.

 

Paul Grosse (PR Silverback)

Posting on behalf of the Board of Directors.

Bryan McRoberts (Benevolent Dictator)
Martijn Verburg (Chair Monkey)
Andrew Maitland (Data Silverback)
Tom Parker (Code Silverback)
Gwen Thebich (Data 2nd)
Eitan Adler (Code 2nd)

Re: output only prepared spells

@Ferret_Dave
 

as a workaround, we created a set of scrolls that had the 'SPELLS tag added (modified to casterlevel for the NPC involved), equipped all of those and then just printed off the first 8 or so pages of the character sheet - instead of 23 pages for the full spell listing...

Quite a messy hack, but it worked, and we don't often have such high level recurring villian clerics to deal with...
 

Re: output only prepared spells

Andrew Maitland
 

It is?

I guess we should fix it.

I was going to tackle a Prepare Spells list version sheet only, but if we have a broken sheet then that takes priority.

On 12/5/2019 11:19 AM, Robert Singers wrote:
The spellbook is broken for 5e so it's a moot point for some of us.


On 6/12/2019 at 04:07, saxumcaribetum via Groups.Io <saxum.caribetum@...> wrote:

As an alternate voice - I'm happy with the existing format of spell book, with "lite" details.

My enthusiasm is to see a smaller selection of spells in the book - just the ones prepared/known, for ease of printing, saving ink, and ease of reference.

I'm still happy to branch out into the book for the total, full, fluff-inclusive, details. The current detailed spellbook includes page reference.

On 05 December 2019 at 14:59 "Paul Grosse via Groups.Io" <nylanfs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Essentially the whole spell-book format, except for the spells marked as prepared.


Paul A. Grosse


On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 9:54:34 AM EST, ferret.griffin+io via Groups.Io <ferret.griffin+io=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:


Greetings,
I want the DESC (which for my sources is well populated with the full spell description), along with the usual stats - range,DC etc.
The whole point here is that *I* don't want to have to use the book.

For the *prepared* spells, I want the full description format - so it's just a matter of working out how to filter the output so only prepared spells are output using the normal pdf output sheet.
 


 


--
--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


 

Re: output only prepared spells

robert@...
 

So it is correct that I cannot print out a wizard character sheet after having prepared spells for the character?
I get an "Cannot perform the requested operation until all page are rendered. Please Wait" error.

Re: output only prepared spells

Robert Singers
 

The spellbook is broken for 5e so it's a moot point for some of us.


On 6/12/2019 at 04:07, saxumcaribetum via Groups.Io <saxum.caribetum@...> wrote:

As an alternate voice - I'm happy with the existing format of spell book, with "lite" details.

My enthusiasm is to see a smaller selection of spells in the book - just the ones prepared/known, for ease of printing, saving ink, and ease of reference.

I'm still happy to branch out into the book for the total, full, fluff-inclusive, details. The current detailed spellbook includes page reference.

On 05 December 2019 at 14:59 "Paul Grosse via Groups.Io" <nylanfs=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Essentially the whole spell-book format, except for the spells marked as prepared.


Paul A. Grosse


On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 9:54:34 AM EST, ferret.griffin+io via Groups.Io <ferret.griffin+io=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:


Greetings,
I want the DESC (which for my sources is well populated with the full spell description), along with the usual stats - range,DC etc.
The whole point here is that *I* don't want to have to use the book.

For the *prepared* spells, I want the full description format - so it's just a matter of working out how to filter the output so only prepared spells are output using the normal pdf output sheet.
 


 


--
--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


 

Re: output only prepared spells

saxumcaribetum
 

As an alternate voice - I'm happy with the existing format of spell book, with "lite" details.

My enthusiasm is to see a smaller selection of spells in the book - just the ones prepared/known, for ease of printing, saving ink, and ease of reference.

I'm still happy to branch out into the book for the total, full, fluff-inclusive, details. The current detailed spellbook includes page reference.

On 05 December 2019 at 14:59 "Paul Grosse via Groups.Io" <nylanfs@...> wrote:

Essentially the whole spell-book format, except for the spells marked as prepared.


Paul A. Grosse


On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 9:54:34 AM EST, ferret.griffin+io via Groups.Io <ferret.griffin+io@...> wrote:


Greetings,
I want the DESC (which for my sources is well populated with the full spell description), along with the usual stats - range,DC etc.
The whole point here is that *I* don't want to have to use the book.

For the *prepared* spells, I want the full description format - so it's just a matter of working out how to filter the output so only prepared spells are output using the normal pdf output sheet.
 


 


--
--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs


 

Re: output only prepared spells

Paul Grosse
 

Essentially the whole spell-book format, except for the spells marked as prepared.


Paul A. Grosse


On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 9:54:34 AM EST, ferret.griffin+io via Groups.Io <ferret.griffin+io@...> wrote:


Greetings,
I want the DESC (which for my sources is well populated with the full spell description), along with the usual stats - range,DC etc.
The whole point here is that *I* don't want to have to use the book.

For the *prepared* spells, I want the full description format - so it's just a matter of working out how to filter the output so only prepared spells are output using the normal pdf output sheet.
 

--
--Paul Grosse
--PCGen BoD, PR Silverback
@Nylanfs