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File - Greetings from Moderator Monkeys.txt

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Greetings:

* This was last updated 19th of August 2009

Posting guidelines:
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http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Posting_Guidelines

Here is a re-emphasis of those guidelines:
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We are the Moderator Monkeys. There. We said it. We hope you all enjoyed it,
as it's the first, last, and only time we will refer to ourselves as such, actually we tell a lie, but that's OK, because we're the Moderators :-)

You've all read the posting guidelines, right? Ha! Fat chance! We've only read
them once myself in several years of service to PCGen. That's a rather long and
lengthy read, not to mention boring. We'll point out the part that concerns us, and therefore you, the most. We'll even sum it up in two words (points to anybody that knows where the words come from...don't respond, you know who you are):

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Be Nice
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That's it. That's the rule. Be Nice. If you have a disagreement with someone, Be Nice. If someone's point of view irritates you, Be Nice. If anyone irritates you, Be Nice. If someone insults your mother, Be Nice.

How, you ask, will you know when it's time to not Be Nice? We're glad you asked
us that. It's a simple answer. It's NEVER time for you to not Be Nice. If you
decide to not Be Nice, we start charging up the Ninja Monkeys. If you're not
nice, we'll close the thread and ask you to Be Nice. If you ignore our request to Be Nice, we'll close down the thread, again, and TELL you to Be Nice. If you
ignore that we'll get irritated. We really hate having to close a thread more
than once. If you make us close it a third time, we'll whip out the Stick of
Doom(TM), smack you upside the head with it, and then gag you. Oh yeah and the Ninja Monkeys will then take bits of your soul and scatter it across the wastelands.

What's a gag, you ask? That's a simple one to answer too. A gag is where we
remove your posting privileges. If we have to gag you, the typical time is as
follows.

First offence: You get off easy, you lucky sod. You only get gagged for one
day.

Second offence: You don't get off quite as lucky. You get gagged for three
days.

Third offence: By this time, we're becoming VERY irritated with you. You get
gagged for however long we feel like gagging you at the time.
Any offence beyond the third: Now you've flat out Torqued us off! You get one
of two things. Gagged for a VERY long time, or gagged subject to banning by the
BoD (that means you're gagged until the BoD removes you from the project, or the BoD in a majority decision, makes a very special, very persuasive,
request that you be un-gagged).

Now for the bad news <evil grin>. The above times are NOT set in stone, as some
of you are habitual offenders. You all know who you are, so we don't have to
name any names. Most of you get to skip the request, skip the order, and go
straight to the first offence. Some of you get to skip that and go to the
second offence. A small number of you get to go straight to the third offence.
A VERY select few of you are already at the very long time, or even the gagged
subject to banning by the BoD. That select few: you know who you are. This is
your ONLY warning.

That is the only sidetrack we're making for the habitual offenders. Now everybody else (the very large majority of our community) pay attention! Request, Order, Gag is what happens in the typical situation. Not every situation is typical (imagine that). There will be times where the request phase will be skipped, and even times when the order phase will be skipped and you'll go straight to gagged, even though you've never been offensive. We don't expect those times to happen often, but we imagine they will happen, so we're giving everyone fair warning. It all depends on how much you offend us <evil grin>. we'll give you all an example, from recent times, even. If anyone, in any way, shape or form that we can possibly imagine, bashes/flames any publisher on these boards, you proceed directly to a minimum of first offence, more depending on how offensive you were.

Now, we're going to put something to rest right away. Code Monkey Publishing IS
A PUBLISHER, and we're tired of hearing them bashed on and flamed until
well-done. If you don't agree with us, TOUGH! You can disagree with us all you
want off the boards, this is not subject to discussion on the board. Only
warning.

OK, we think we all understand each other now, don't you? Time for us to wrap
this up. What, there's a question in the back? OK, go ahead

Question: You're not just going to leave it like that, are you? You're going
to say something nice to wrap everything up, just like the rest of the BoD,
right?

Answer: Well OK then, we really, really love the fact that we have such a large a passionate community, we're sorry for the rules, but with 5000+ and counting of you something had to be done, think of it as the Iron Monkey Paws in the Velvet Gloves :-)

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New Policy on Asking Questions about PI/Closed Content Sources
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We respect the Publishers wishes with regards to PI and Closed Content
and therefore strongly prefer that any discussion of the creation of
those data sources are held in Generic terms.

However, we realise that a vast majority of you are asking questions
on how to code data sets for your own personal use and so we're no
longer going to growl or wave fingers at people who mention a
PI/Closed Content reference when asking questions. We will however
continue to state our responses to those questions in a generic manner
and hope that you'll do the same.

We will still not tolerate any PI/Closed Content being uploaded to our
file areas or any attempts at illegally sharing data sources.

Examples:
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1.) A user asking how to code the Skirmish ability from the Complete
Adventurer (WotC) will receive a helpful polite answer phrased in
generic terms, e.g "To implement an Ability that gives 1d6 damage
every 3 levels you'd want to look to the Rogue sneak attack
progression in our SRD files". But no more finger waving or growling
from the Moderators!

2.) A user stating that they want someone to give them a privately
coded data source for the Complete Adventurer set will be warned etc.

3.) A user uploading the Complete Adventurer data source will be
warned etc.

So, for all community members, there's no longer any need to call in
the Moderator if a PI/Closed Content question is asked. We will step
in if necessary if someone blatantly abuses this new policy.

For reference:
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Closed Content/PI is any data source that we don't have permission to
publish ourselves or isn't OGL/OGC.

Please see:

http://pcgen.sourceforge.net/autobuilds/pcgen-docs/acknowledgments/publishersandsources.html

For a list of publisher permissions that we currently have.

PapaDRB and Karianna - on behalf of the Moderators
- This doc was modified from Mynex's and Hetter's original doc.


File - MonkeyTeamsExplained

pcgen@...
 

PCGen - Who does what?
Last Edited: Aug 19th, 2009

Please see http://wiki.pcgen.org/index.php?title=Explanation_of_Teams for the latest version of this document

Introduction
------------

You'll quickly notice the PCGen has a Monkey theme. Bryan McRoberts chose "Chief Code Monkey" as his title when he first made PCGen available to the public, and later adopted the title of Benevolent Dictator. Other teams formed to focus on different aspects of PCGen, and all have taken to referring to themselves as Monkeys. In the Documentation provided with PCGen and in the About box of the actual software we try to list everyone who has contributed to PCGen in chronological order.

Ranks
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In keeping with the Monkey theme a ranking system has evolved as a way to express appreciation and confer status to those who have contributed their time and energy to the project. The highest rank is that of Silverback, the Silverbacks are the leaders of the teams that make up the PCGen project and hold seats on the Board of Directors. The Silverbacks have a 2nd for each sub team. Promoting Monkeys is generally the privilege of the teams Silverback. The ranks are (in decreasing order) 2nd, Chimp, Gibbon, Tamarin, Lemur. The rank of Lemur is conferred when a volunteer first contributes something useful (whether it be large or small to the project).

Joining the project
-------------------

PCGen is an Open Source Software Initiative and as such relies entirely on the efforts of many volunteers. The project is always in need of more volunteers, if you would like to join we would love to have you. The easiest way to join is to post a message to the pcgen message board with the subject of "I want to help" and you will be contacted by a Tracker Monkey and asked what area you would like to contribute to. You may also contact the Silverback of a team you are interested in joining directly. A list of the Silverbacks can be found in the BoD

Board of Directors
------------------

The Board of Directors (BoD) is the steering committee of PCGen, its members consist of the Team Leads from each team. It had overall governance of the project and is lead by the Chair Monkey.

Architecture
------------

This team works on the medium and long term gnarly architectural issues for PCGen, dealing with things such as Internationalization, replacing the data layer etc.

Code
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This team works on the Java code, fixing Bugs and developing FREQs.

Content
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Content encompasses Data, Documentation, Output Sheets and other non-Java code project files.

Data
----

This team works on the data for all the books you load in PCGen. They help answer data questions at the PCGenListFileHelp. They have pcgen_experimental group where they actually work on the different books we're trying to get into PCGen.

Documentation
-------------

This team works on the Documentation, this is a massive effort combing How To guides, Data and OS tags, FAQ and much, much more.

OS
--

This team works on the output sheets which are used to export to character sheets in PCGen. These templates involve XML, XSL, PDF and HTML/XHTML.

Admin
-----

This is the team that administers the project as a whole. They amongst other things monitor the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pcgen yahoo site and consist of two sub teams.

Tracker
-------

They also prioritize all Issues and provide assistance to all teams in a co-ordination role.

Release
-------

This team gathers all the elements and compiles the code to create the packages that are released to the public.

Website
-------

This team is the newest formed team; it's first tasked with finding a permanent website space to call home and building a fully operational website to facilitate our many needs. Once phase I is completed they will monitor and maintain the website. They have a tough job currently of merging our many groups and websites into one unified and professional website with the full capabilities we already enjoy today, plus more enhancements.

Public Relations
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The PR team covers dealing with the various stakeholders in PCGen's community, in particular the Publishers.

Publisher Liaison
-----------------

This team servers as the contact for all the Publishers. This way all contact with Publishers can be more easily managed and consistent.

OGL
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This team is named after the Open Gaming License that made the popularity of 3e/3.5e possible. This team makes sure that all material included in PCGen meets any license requirements (not just the OGL).

Advertising
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This team deals with PCGen's advertising budget and where and when the advertising should occur.

That should just about cover it!

Karianna
Chair Monkey - BoD, Moderator


[FREQ] Complete catfolk curiosity racial trait

Hanrahan (but Han only has one syllable!)
 

In the ARG, the catfolk alternate racial trait "curiosity" currently doesn't give any of the listed skill bonuses - I'd like it to, please!


Thank you.


Re: Item with Bonus to Grapple

David
 

Click on "Mailing Lists and Links" at the bottom of this email and the links to all the Yahoo groups, and others are on that page.

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On 2016-01-30 Sat 03:53 AM, tbold03@yahoo.de [pcgen] wrote:


That you very much for the quick replies.

There is a List File Help group? How can I find it? I am still pretty confused about how the Yahoo groups work.

Thank you for being patient with a noob :)



Re: Item with Bonus to Grapple

TheV
 

That you very much for the quick replies. 

There is a List File Help group? How can I find it? I am still pretty confused about how the Yahoo groups work. 

Thank you for being patient with a noob :)


Re: Next release 6.06.00RC2

Andrew Maitland
 

On 1/29/2016 12:40 PM, Andrew drew0500@yahoo.com [pcgen] wrote:
Apologies folks, I gave the development autobuild.

The correct link is: http://pcgen.org/autobuilds-prod/download.html

It should display as 6.06.00RC2.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/29/2016 10:10 AM, Andrew drew0500@yahoo.com [pcgen] wrote:
Hi folks,

It is my intention to release 6.06.00RC2 on Monday evening (Feb 1st).

I do not have the release notes updated yet, but it's gonna be a doozy
of a LIST!

Since 6.06.00RC1, we have patched 49 data issues; 12 code issues; 1 OS
issue and have a pending list of Code inclusions (another 13 issues in
6.07 that may be included).

With another bug issue, once fixed would be 50; 20ish and 1 respectively.

Please give the latest AUTOBUILD a test and report any issues -
http://pcgen.org/autobuilds/download.html

Remember, Release Candidates are the latest culmination of features and
bug fixes for the next production release. As such, these are the final
versions before a production release.

Cheers,
Andrew



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Posted by: Andrew <drew0500@yahoo.com>
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PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
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Yahoo Groups Links



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Posted by: Andrew <drew0500@yahoo.com>
------------------------------------

PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
------------------------------------

Yahoo Groups Links



Re: Next release 6.06.00RC2

Andrew Maitland
 

Apologies folks, I gave the development autobuild.

The correct link is: http://pcgen.org/autobuilds-prod/download.html

It should display as 6.06.00RC2.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/29/2016 10:10 AM, Andrew drew0500@yahoo.com [pcgen] wrote:
Hi folks,

It is my intention to release 6.06.00RC2 on Monday evening (Feb 1st).

I do not have the release notes updated yet, but it's gonna be a doozy
of a LIST!

Since 6.06.00RC1, we have patched 49 data issues; 12 code issues; 1 OS
issue and have a pending list of Code inclusions (another 13 issues in
6.07 that may be included).

With another bug issue, once fixed would be 50; 20ish and 1 respectively.

Please give the latest AUTOBUILD a test and report any issues -
http://pcgen.org/autobuilds/download.html

Remember, Release Candidates are the latest culmination of features and
bug fixes for the next production release. As such, these are the final
versions before a production release.

Cheers,
Andrew



------------------------------------
Posted by: Andrew <drew0500@yahoo.com>
------------------------------------

PCGen's Mailing Lists and Links: http://wiki.pcgen.org/Mailing_Lists_and_PCGen_Links
------------------------------------

Yahoo Groups Links



Next release 6.06.00RC2

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi folks,

It is my intention to release 6.06.00RC2 on Monday evening (Feb 1st).

I do not have the release notes updated yet, but it's gonna be a doozy
of a LIST!

Since 6.06.00RC1, we have patched 49 data issues; 12 code issues; 1 OS
issue and have a pending list of Code inclusions (another 13 issues in
6.07 that may be included).

With another bug issue, once fixed would be 50; 20ish and 1 respectively.

Please give the latest AUTOBUILD a test and report any issues -
http://pcgen.org/autobuilds/download.html

Remember, Release Candidates are the latest culmination of features and
bug fixes for the next production release. As such, these are the final
versions before a production release.

Cheers,
Andrew


Re: Adding custom content question

Andrew Maitland
 

This really belongs on the list file help group.

Find "pu_skills.lst" open that.

Anything else you want regarding this topic belongs over on list file help.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/28/2016 8:57 PM, evilpixie87@... [pcgen] wrote:
Is that how I add custom "Lore" skills to the background skills?? Which .lst do I add that to??


Re: Adding custom content question

Gwen T.
 

Is that how I add custom "Lore" skills to the background skills?? Which .lst do I add that to??


Re: Item with Bonus to Grapple

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi,

Homebrew questions should go to the list file help group. More data monkeys hanging out over there.

In either case one of these two tags should handle grappling:

BONUS:COMBAT|TOHIT.Grapple|1

or if this a Pathfinder deal:

BONUS:VAR|CMB_Grapple|1

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/28/2016 12:43 AM, tbold03@... [pcgen] wrote:

Hello there,

I am looking into creating Items for the Homebrew set. I was able to make some things by now, but I cant figure out how to create an Item that would grant a bonus to Grappling. 


Is there a way to do that?


Thanks



Re: Pathfinder Multiclass Data Bug

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi,

We require user accounts to prevent spam by open access, plus makes it easier to follow up if a report is lacking details, which is the case quite frequently.

Known issue, and fixed in the autobuild.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/28/2016 10:41 AM, vze4v822@... [pcgen] wrote:
I'd report to JIRA, but it doesn't seem to allow filling without an account.

* Load PCGen v6.06.00 RC1 in Pathfinder Mode (Data loaded: Pathfinder RPG Core Supplements, Rise of the Runelords Player's Guide (Anniversary Edition).
* Create a new character (Type: PC/NPC doesn't matter).
* Race: Whichever, or blank, doesn't seem to matter.
* Add a level or more of a PC class. (Example: Ranger; but randomly selecting various cause it.)
* Add a level or more of a different PC class. (Example: Rogue; but randomly selecting various cause it.)
* Notice "Things to be done" has added the abilities meant for Monster-advancement-with-PC-class abilities: Class Level [+2/+4/-2] Ability Adjustment


Pathfinder Multiclass Data Bug

vze4v822@...
 

I'd report to JIRA, but it doesn't seem to allow filling without an account.

* Load PCGen v6.06.00 RC1 in Pathfinder Mode (Data loaded: Pathfinder RPG Core Supplements, Rise of the Runelords Player's Guide (Anniversary Edition).
* Create a new character (Type: PC/NPC doesn't matter).
* Race: Whichever, or blank, doesn't seem to matter.
* Add a level or more of a PC class. (Example: Ranger; but randomly selecting various cause it.)
* Add a level or more of a different PC class. (Example: Rogue; but randomly selecting various cause it.)
* Notice "Things to be done" has added the abilities meant for Monster-advancement-with-PC-class abilities: Class Level [+2/+4/-2] Ability Adjustment


Re: Item with Bonus to Grapple

Andrew
 

HI

CMB and CMD are done with variables.  You need to bonus the CMB_Grapple variable

BONUS:VAR|CMB_Grapple|1

will add one to your grapple CMB.

andrew

On 28 January 2016 at 08:43, tbold03@... [pcgen] <pcgen@...> wrote:


Hello there,

I am looking into creating Items for the Homebrew set. I was able to make some things by now, but I cant figure out how to create an Item that would grant a bonus to Grappling. 


Is there a way to do that?


Thanks





Item with Bonus to Grapple

TheV
 

Hello there,

I am looking into creating Items for the Homebrew set. I was able to make some things by now, but I cant figure out how to create an Item that would grant a bonus to Grappling. 


Is there a way to do that?


Thanks


Re: Error in Scarred Witch doctor

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi all,

It is the policy of PCGen to attempt to stay true to the source books, errata and rules/Faqs as best we can. We obtain publisher permission to use their materials based upon this premise and to do otherwise would be in violation of what we told the publishers. This is also why we only use the publisher official channels to verify errors and corrections. We must maintain this standard to the best of our ability.

As I've mentioned before, I will not support multiple versions of any item - everyone has a "favorite" version they would want to support and it would become a logistical nightmare to do so. Don't believe me? ask the maintainer of the PFS rules and their Seasons of play.

Pathfinder and Pathfinder Society have stated what is official for their systems. Anything outside of the official bounds is house rules and homebrew. I will endeavor to allow homebrew and houserule support, BUT, I will not maintain multiple versions in official source releases. That is outside my scope and frankly an onerous contract to place on an already strained volunteer team.

Ergo, if you choose to have alternative rules, that is within your jurisdiction to implement and use as you desire. I will work with you explaining how to enable such rules. Doing such items is not a pcgen group discussion, but belongs over on the homebrew / list file help group.

Beyond that, if we update a source book, it will follow the existing rules as per the publisher's wishes, nothing more, nothing less.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/27/2016 10:29 AM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@... [pcgen] wrote:
On 2016-01-27 04:19, Ragabash Moon RagabashMoon@... [pcgen] wrote:
The change to use Intelligence was a change made in a FAQ because um... it was too powerful to use Con or some such.  So they nerfed it. Or something.  Personally, I prefer the Con rules, I think that's more in spirit with the original design of the class.

started in a number of forum threads.
possibly into an FAQ.
they sold out of ARG and reprinted, and made the change in print & PDF, published the differences as errata , and called it official.

Many would call it Nerfing - but a Con bonus is so valuable anyway I'd agree it's the wrong sort of bonus.


SO I would suggest that there be two versions of this archetype.  Leave the current one in, but rename it to "Scared Witch Doctor (Original)" or something... then create the new one.

Cause I for one still use the old version.  I don't agree with their assessment that using it was OP, in fact I Think it's WORSE now... After all, a Half-Orc counts as an orc and can therefore take it.  Put an 18 in Int then make your Half-Orc bonus +2 Int... throw this on top and you got a 22 Int witch at 1st level.


'Take my love, take my land, I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the sky from me. Take me out to the Black, tell them I ain't comin' back, burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me. There's no place I can be, since I've found Serenity, you can't take the sky from me." -- Joss Whedon, Ballad of Serenity
 

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Re: Adding custom content question

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi,

I don't recall any tutorial requesting skills. Frankly, skills are by far one of the easiest items to add.

Name of skill
    TYPE:StatNameinFull.GroupNameForType
    KEYSTAT:ABB
   
That's about it. Only other tags would be USEUNTRAINED, whether or not there is an Penalty from Armor, and pretty much covers skills.

If you want a video, I suppose I could toss one together fairly easy. Wouldn't be very long though. Probably about 5-8 minutes at a rough guess.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/27/2016 6:46 PM, evilpixie87@... [pcgen] wrote:

In Pathfinder Unchained, the background skills variant rule adds the "Lore" skill. I was wondering if there was a way to add custom Lore skills, like in a .lst file. I've tried to look a lot of this up myself, but the "MySkills.lst" tutorial was never made.



Re: Digest Number 8342

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi,

Reviewing the controls, a moderator has no access to change your
subscription email. I can easily remove the old account, ban the old
account, restrict posting, but not change anything set inside the
account. And I agree, mods shouldn't be able to alter your personal account.

As for the other statement, I can invite people to the group, but then
they must accept the invite. As this is an open group I'm not sure what
purpose sending an invite would serve.

Joining a group is easy though. Send an email to the yahoo group you
want to join:
pcgen-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

that command works for any group. "groupname-subscribe@yahoogroups.com"

The opposite is also true: pcgen-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com, which will
remove you from the group.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/27/2016 7:51 AM, 'Adam's Old Domain E-mail' adam@thetalkingtons.com
[pcgen] wrote:
PCGen News and Notes

Pkease change my email on this group to adam@talkington.us.com
<mailto:adam@talkington.us.com>. Thank you.



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*Digest #8342 *

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*Error in Scarred Witch doctor <#1a>**by vampiregoat69 ***

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*Re: Error in Scarred Witch doctor <#1b>**by "Andrew" Drew0500 ***

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*Re: Error in Scarred Witch doctor <#1c>**by "Saxum Caribetum"
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*Re: Error in Scarred Witch doctor <#1d>**by "Ragabash Moon"
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*does PCGen have a policy on incorporating rules errata into datasets
<#2a>**by "Saxum Caribetum" saxumcaribetum ***

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*Re: does PCGen have a policy on incorporating rules errata into data
<#2b>**by "Doug Limmer" distant_scholar ***

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*Re: does PCGen have a policy on incorporating rules errata into data
<#2c>**by "Saxum Caribetum" saxumcaribetum ***

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*Re: does PCGen have a policy on incorporating rules errata into data
<#2d>**by "Saxum Caribetum" saxumcaribetum ***

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*Re: does PCGen have a policy on incorporating rules errata into data
<#2f>**by "Doug Limmer" distant_scholar ***

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*Re: does PCGen have a policy on incorporating rules errata into data
<#2g>**by "Andrew" Drew0500 ***


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Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:08 am (PST) . Posted by:


vampiregoat69
<mailto:vampiregoat69@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Error%20in%20Scarred%20Witch%20doctor>

according to Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-orc/scarred-witch-doctor-witch-orc
they get but in the program it does not give that it uses con instead.
Is there a way to fix that?
Fierce Intelligence A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int-
score as 2 points higher when determining the highest level of spells
she can cast, the number of spells she can cast per day, her spell
save DCs, her number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of
her Witch - Pathfinder_OGC
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by her Intelligence
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int-.



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Hi,

There is no easy method to get that without massively altering the
existing system. I dare say that would fall into a code solution since
the data portion only sets the bar, the class internals just grab that
bar.

The tag that controls that was a gamemode tag,
'DEFINE:MAXLEVELSTAT=INT|INTSCORE-10'

I could alter that, but if you played a multiclass spellcaster, like a
Wizard and Witch, the incorrect results would spill into both classes. A
corner case to be sure, but a valid concern.

Also, thanks for proving why we can only reference the official
publisher materials and not 3rd party sites. Unless there has been
errata, there is no fierce intelligence ability. What that says and what
the book says is completely different.
Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/26/2016 8:01 AM, vampiregoat69@yahoo.com
<mailto:vampiregoat69@yahoo.com> [pcgen] wrote:


according to Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-orc/scarred-witch-doctor-witch-orc>
they
get but in the program it does not give that it uses con instead. Is
there a way to fix that?


Fierce Intelligence

A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int->
score
as 2 points higher when determining the highest level of spells she
can cast, the number of spells she can cast per day, her spell save
DCs, her number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of
her Witch - Pathfinder_OGC
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex>
determined by
her Intelligence
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int->.




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On 2016-01-26 16:01, vampiregoat69@yahoo.com
<mailto:vampiregoat69@yahoo.com> [pcgen] wrote:


according to Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-orc/scarred-witch-doctor-witch-orc>
they
get but in the program it does not give that it uses con instead. Is
there a way to fix that?
D20pfsrd.com should not be considered an authority - however in this
case the Paizo site agrees.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/featuredRaces/orcs.html#scarred-witch-doctor-%28witch%29

Aha! The printed book (ARG p.140) says "Constitution Dependent: A
scarred witch doctor uses Constitution instead of Intelligence ..."

Now I think about it, I remember some fierce discussion on the forums,
and that the official Errata changed it:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/resources

*Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Advanced Race Guide*

/Last Updated - 7/29/2015/

* First Printing to Second Printing (v1.0) - Download (2.3MB zip/PDF)
<http://paizo.com/include/PZO1121-Errata-20150728-1.0.zip>

http://paizo.com/include/PZO1121-Errata-20150728-1.0.zip

"> *Page 140*—In the scarred witch doctor archetype, replace
the Constitution Dependent entry with the following:
*Fierce Intelligence*: A scarred witch doctor treats her
Intelligence score as 2 points higher when determining
the highest level of spells she can cast, the number of
spells she can cast per day, her spell save DCs, her number
of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her hexes
determined by her Intelligence."

So... PCGen implements the rules in the first printing, which are
officially changed in the second printing.


Fierce Intelligence

A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int->
score
as 2 points higher when determining the highest level of spells she
can cast, the number of spells she can cast per day, her spell save
DCs, her number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her
Witch - Pathfinder_OGC
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determined by
her Intelligence
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int->.




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Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:19 pm (PST) . Posted by:


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The change to use Intelligence was a change made in a FAQ because
um... it was too powerful to use Con or some such. So they nerfed it.
Or something. Personally, I prefer the Con rules, I think that's more
in spirit with the original design of the class.

SO I would suggest that there be two versions of this archetype.
Leave the current one in, but rename it to "Scared Witch Doctor
(Original)" or something... then create the new one.
Cause I for one still use the old version. I don't agree with their
assessment that using it was OP, in fact I Think it's WORSE now...
After all, a Half-Orc counts as an orc and can therefore take it. Put
an 18 in Int then make your Half-Orc bonus +2 Int... throw this on top
and you got a 22 Int witch at 1st level.

'Take my love, take my land, I don't care, I'm still free, you can't
take the sky from me. Take me out to the Black, tell them I ain't
comin' back, burn the land and boil the sea, you can't take the sky
from me. There's no place I can be, since I've found Serenity, you
can't take the sky from me." -- Joss Whedon, Ballad of Serenity
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Subject: [pcgen] Error in Scarred Witch doctor

according to Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC they
get but in the program it does not give that it uses con instead. Is
there a way to fix that?
Fierce Intelligence
A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence score as 2 points
higher when determining the highest level of spells she can cast, the
number of spells she can cast per day, her spell save DCs, her number
of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her Witch -
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:38 pm (PST) . Posted by:


"Saxum Caribetum" saxumcaribetum
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The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you select
between them?

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:44 pm (PST) . Posted by:


"Doug Limmer" distant_scholar
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I think the (informal) policy is to treat errata as data bugs; report
'em, and we'll fix 'em. Sometimes data folk get enthused and implement
the entire set of errata at once. In the specific case of the Scarred
Witch Doctor, it sounds like it may require a somewhat major overhaul in
how not only the data are set up, but how the code works. That will
take ... a while.

To my knowledge, we've never shipped a version of PCGen with multiple
versions of an ability due to changes in printing. I imagine, under
usual circumstances, you could use the old data set instead of the new
one to get the old version.

DS/DL (Data 2nd)

On 01/26/2016 03:38 PM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:

The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you select
between them?

--
Neil Taylor "Creo Imaginem Mente"
ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++
Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:48 pm (PST) . Posted by:


"Saxum Caribetum" saxumcaribetum
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On 2016-01-26 21:38, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:
The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you select
between them?

at present, the Pathfinder Core Rules have been through SIX printings,
each of which has incrementally added fixes and changes.
Ultimate Combat, Gamemastery Guide and Bestiary (first) have been
through 3 printings and changes each.
APG, ACG, ARG, UM, Bestiaries 2 & 3 have all been through 2 printings
and 1 set of changes.

All the changes can be downloaded free at
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/resources

These are all considered official by Paizo, and are (AFAIK), binding on
PFS players. Home campaigns may or may not use them, typically depending
on when purchased, and whether the GM likes to write in the books, or
whether they use the PDF downloads (which all update when the printing
is revised).

This is separate from and in addition to Paizo's FAQ pages
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq
The FAQ ought not to be actually altering the rules, but may affect how
(ambiguous) things are interpreted - and PCGen may not have taken the
interpretation chosen by the Paizo staff.

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:16 pm (PST) . Posted by:


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On 2016-01-26 21:44, Doug Limmer adventure@mailworks.org
<mailto:adventure@mailworks.org> [pcgen] wrote:


I think the (informal) policy is to treat errata as data bugs; report
'em, and we'll fix 'em. Sometimes data folk get enthused and implement
the entire set of errata at once.
individual errata vary from a few (6 or so) changes, to 10+ pages of
change listings. I can't imagine anyone would want to create Jira
entries for each change?

In the specific case of the Scarred Witch Doctor, it sounds like it
may require a somewhat major overhaul in how not only the data are set
up, but how the code works. That will take ... a while.
Ought to be simple: remove the oddball bodge to allow Con to replace Int
for a prepared caster;
revert to Int for the prepared caster;
invoke a +2 bonus conditional to the archetype - similar to the +2 bonus
for specific Sorcerer bloodlines which many races carry.

It would have been the 1st printing rule that needed the messy changes
and code fix.


To my knowledge, we've never shipped a version of PCGen with multiple
versions of an ability due to changes in printing. I imagine, under
usual circumstances, you could use the old data set instead of the new
one to get the old version.
fair point!


DS/DL (Data 2nd)

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The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you
select
between them?
--
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ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++
Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:17 pm (PST) . Posted by:


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At least for items in the official PRD
(http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/), it would probably be best to
implement the errata as possible, or alerted-to.

On 01/26/2016 04:38 PM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:
The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you select
between them?

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:26 pm (PST) . Posted by:


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On 01/26/2016 04:16 PM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:

On 2016-01-26 21:44, Doug Limmer adventure@mailworks.org
<mailto:adventure@mailworks.org> [pcgen] wrote:
In the specific case of the Scarred Witch Doctor, it sounds like it
may require a somewhat major overhaul in how not only the data are
set up, but how the code works. That will take ... a while.
Ought to be simple: [...]
Often times, what looks simple on the outside is nothing but on the
inside.

DS/DL

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:13 pm (PST) . Posted by:


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Hi,

Errata changes can and should be implemented. However, it is not always
as simple as people think.

We have a notes/comments in the pcc to track such things. I also think
infotext should include the errata update notification.

Keeping "multiple" copies of sets is not feasible. Keeping two copies up
to speed (6.06.x and master) is bad enough. Keeping bug fixes correct by
errata would be a logistics nightmare.

As far as a JIRA. A single Data Feature Request for the errata update
would be sufficient for EACH book that has an errata update.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/26/2016 2:26 PM, Doug Limmer adventure@mailworks.org
<mailto:adventure@mailworks.org> [pcgen] wrote:


On 01/26/2016 04:16 PM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:


On 2016-01-26 21:44, Doug Limmer adventure@mailworks.org
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In the specific case of the Scarred Witch Doctor, it sounds like
it may require a somewhat major overhaul in how not only the data
are set up, but how the code works. That will take ... a while.
Ought to be simple: [...]
Often times, what looks simple on the outside is nothing but on the
inside.

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Re: Digest Number 8342

Andrew Maitland
 

Hi,

As has been mentioned, it is far easier for a user to alter their own
subscription, then for a moderator.

I shall investigate, but just be advised, moderators only role is to
moderate the lists, not alter email addresses for individual users.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:08 am (PST) . Posted by:


vampiregoat69
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according to Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-orc/scarred-witch-doctor-witch-orc
they get but in the program it does not give that it uses con instead.
Is there a way to fix that?
Fierce Intelligence A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int-
score as 2 points higher when determining the highest level of spells
she can cast, the number of spells she can cast per day, her spell
save DCs, her number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of
her Witch - Pathfinder_OGC
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex determined
by her Intelligence
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int-.



http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex

Witch - Pathfinder_OGC
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex The Paizo
Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules. This site is an SRD (System
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:56 am (PST) . Posted by:


"Andrew" Drew0500
<mailto:drew0500@yahoo.com?subject=Re%3A%20Error%20in%20Scarred%20Witch%20doctor>

Hi,

There is no easy method to get that without massively altering the
existing system. I dare say that would fall into a code solution since
the data portion only sets the bar, the class internals just grab that
bar.

The tag that controls that was a gamemode tag,
'DEFINE:MAXLEVELSTAT=INT|INTSCORE-10'

I could alter that, but if you played a multiclass spellcaster, like a
Wizard and Witch, the incorrect results would spill into both classes. A
corner case to be sure, but a valid concern.

Also, thanks for proving why we can only reference the official
publisher materials and not 3rd party sites. Unless there has been
errata, there is no fierce intelligence ability. What that says and what
the book says is completely different.
Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/26/2016 8:01 AM, vampiregoat69@yahoo.com
<mailto:vampiregoat69@yahoo.com> [pcgen] wrote:


according to Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-orc/scarred-witch-doctor-witch-orc>
they
get but in the program it does not give that it uses con instead. Is
there a way to fix that?


Fierce Intelligence

A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int->
score
as 2 points higher when determining the highest level of spells she
can cast, the number of spells she can cast per day, her spell save
DCs, her number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of
her Witch - Pathfinder_OGC
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex>
determined by
her Intelligence
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int->.




image <http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex>


Witch - Pathfinder_OGC
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex>
The Paizo Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules. This site is an SRD
(System Reference Document) for the Paizo Pathfinder Roleplaying Game.

View on www.d20pfsrd.com <http://www.d20pfsrd.com>
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex>

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<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-orc/scarred-witch-doctor-witch-orc>

The Paizo Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules. This site is an SRD
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:27 am (PST) . Posted by:


"Saxum Caribetum" saxumcaribetum
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On 2016-01-26 16:01, vampiregoat69@yahoo.com
<mailto:vampiregoat69@yahoo.com> [pcgen] wrote:


according to Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-orc/scarred-witch-doctor-witch-orc>
they
get but in the program it does not give that it uses con instead. Is
there a way to fix that?
D20pfsrd.com should not be considered an authority - however in this
case the Paizo site agrees.
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/advancedRaceGuide/featuredRaces/orcs.html#scarred-witch-doctor-%28witch%29

Aha! The printed book (ARG p.140) says "Constitution Dependent: A
scarred witch doctor uses Constitution instead of Intelligence ..."

Now I think about it, I remember some fierce discussion on the forums,
and that the official Errata changed it:
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/resources

*Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Advanced Race Guide*

/Last Updated - 7/29/2015/

* First Printing to Second Printing (v1.0) - Download (2.3MB zip/PDF)
<http://paizo.com/include/PZO1121-Errata-20150728-1.0.zip>

http://paizo.com/include/PZO1121-Errata-20150728-1.0.zip

"> *Page 140*—In the scarred witch doctor archetype, replace
the Constitution Dependent entry with the following:
*Fierce Intelligence*: A scarred witch doctor treats her
Intelligence score as 2 points higher when determining
the highest level of spells she can cast, the number of
spells she can cast per day, her spell save DCs, her number
of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her hexes
determined by her Intelligence."

So... PCGen implements the rules in the first printing, which are
officially changed in the second printing.


Fierce Intelligence

A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int->
score
as 2 points higher when determining the highest level of spells she
can cast, the number of spells she can cast per day, her spell save
DCs, her number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her
Witch - Pathfinder_OGC
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex>
determined by
her Intelligence
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/ability-scores#TOC-Intelligence-Int->.




image <http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex>


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The Paizo Pathfinder Roleplaying Game rules. This site is an SRD
(System Reference Document) for the Paizo Pathfinder Roleplaying Game.

View on www.d20pfsrd.com <http://www.d20pfsrd.com>
<http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch#TOC-Hex>

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Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC
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The change to use Intelligence was a change made in a FAQ because
um... it was too powerful to use Con or some such. So they nerfed it.
Or something. Personally, I prefer the Con rules, I think that's more
in spirit with the original design of the class.

SO I would suggest that there be two versions of this archetype.
Leave the current one in, but rename it to "Scared Witch Doctor
(Original)" or something... then create the new one.
Cause I for one still use the old version. I don't agree with their
assessment that using it was OP, in fact I Think it's WORSE now...
After all, a Half-Orc counts as an orc and can therefore take it. Put
an 18 in Int then make your Half-Orc bonus +2 Int... throw this on top
and you got a 22 Int witch at 1st level.

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can't take the sky from me." -- Joss Whedon, Ballad of Serenity
RagabashMoon@sbcglobal.net <mailto:RagabashMoon@sbcglobal.net>


From: "vampiregoat69@yahoo.com [pcgen]
<mailto:vampiregoat69@yahoo.com%20[pcgen]>" <pcgen@yahoogroups.com
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Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 10:01 AM
Subject: [pcgen] Error in Scarred Witch doctor

according to Scarred Witch Doctor (Witch; Orc) - Pathfinder_OGC they
get but in the program it does not give that it uses con instead. Is
there a way to fix that?
Fierce Intelligence
A scarred witch doctor treats her Intelligence score as 2 points
higher when determining the highest level of spells she can cast, the
number of spells she can cast per day, her spell save DCs, her number
of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her Witch -
Pathfinder_OGC determined by her Intelligence.
| |
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Pathfinder Roleplaying Game. | |
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The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
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* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you select
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I think the (informal) policy is to treat errata as data bugs; report
'em, and we'll fix 'em. Sometimes data folk get enthused and implement
the entire set of errata at once. In the specific case of the Scarred
Witch Doctor, it sounds like it may require a somewhat major overhaul in
how not only the data are set up, but how the code works. That will
take ... a while.

To my knowledge, we've never shipped a version of PCGen with multiple
versions of an ability due to changes in printing. I imagine, under
usual circumstances, you could use the old data set instead of the new
one to get the old version.

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On 01/26/2016 03:38 PM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:

The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you select
between them?

--
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ArM Code 1.5 5++ Ca++ R++p H++ ?L Y(96) T(5)- SG+++ G++++ P++ HoH(Ma++
Q+ Hg+) Fz(E)++ C++ :-) Cd++
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On 2016-01-26 21:38, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:
The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you select
between them?

at present, the Pathfinder Core Rules have been through SIX printings,
each of which has incrementally added fixes and changes.
Ultimate Combat, Gamemastery Guide and Bestiary (first) have been
through 3 printings and changes each.
APG, ACG, ARG, UM, Bestiaries 2 & 3 have all been through 2 printings
and 1 set of changes.

All the changes can be downloaded free at
http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/resources

These are all considered official by Paizo, and are (AFAIK), binding on
PFS players. Home campaigns may or may not use them, typically depending
on when purchased, and whether the GM likes to write in the books, or
whether they use the PDF downloads (which all update when the printing
is revised).

This is separate from and in addition to Paizo's FAQ pages
http://paizo.com/paizo/faq
The FAQ ought not to be actually altering the rules, but may affect how
(ambiguous) things are interpreted - and PCGen may not have taken the
interpretation chosen by the Paizo staff.

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On 2016-01-26 21:44, Doug Limmer adventure@mailworks.org
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I think the (informal) policy is to treat errata as data bugs; report
'em, and we'll fix 'em. Sometimes data folk get enthused and implement
the entire set of errata at once.
individual errata vary from a few (6 or so) changes, to 10+ pages of
change listings. I can't imagine anyone would want to create Jira
entries for each change?

In the specific case of the Scarred Witch Doctor, it sounds like it
may require a somewhat major overhaul in how not only the data are set
up, but how the code works. That will take ... a while.
Ought to be simple: remove the oddball bodge to allow Con to replace Int
for a prepared caster;
revert to Int for the prepared caster;
invoke a +2 bonus conditional to the archetype - similar to the +2 bonus
for specific Sorcerer bloodlines which many races carry.

It would have been the 1st printing rule that needed the messy changes
and code fix.


To my knowledge, we've never shipped a version of PCGen with multiple
versions of an ability due to changes in printing. I imagine, under
usual circumstances, you could use the old data set instead of the new
one to get the old version.
fair point!


DS/DL (Data 2nd)

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[pcgen] wrote:

The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you
select
between them?
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Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:17 pm (PST) . Posted by:


"vze4v822" MqsTout
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At least for items in the official PRD
(http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/), it would probably be best to
implement the errata as possible, or alerted-to.

On 01/26/2016 04:38 PM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:
The recent posts on the Scarred Witch Doctor Archetype lead me to ask:

* What is the policy in PCGen for incorporating the changes brought in
by errata?

I'm considering small scale, restricted rules changes - not anything of
the scope in Pathfinder Unchained.

The errata for the Scarred Witch Doctor include a significant change,
eliminating the paragraph in the 1st edition printing where Con is used
for magic in place of Int, replaced in the 2nd edition printing by a +2
bonus to Int where used for magic.

PCGen datasets are currently coded for the 1st printing.

* Are there (would there be) an intention to update the implementation?

* If you had a character built with the 1st printing rules, could you
carry on using said character when updates came through?
* if your GM was dithering about which rule to use, how might you select
between them?

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:26 pm (PST) . Posted by:


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On 01/26/2016 04:16 PM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:

On 2016-01-26 21:44, Doug Limmer adventure@mailworks.org
<mailto:adventure@mailworks.org> [pcgen] wrote:
In the specific case of the Scarred Witch Doctor, it sounds like it
may require a somewhat major overhaul in how not only the data are
set up, but how the code works. That will take ... a while.
Ought to be simple: [...]
Often times, what looks simple on the outside is nothing but on the
inside.

DS/DL

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Tue Jan 26, 2016 5:13 pm (PST) . Posted by:


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Hi,

Errata changes can and should be implemented. However, it is not always
as simple as people think.

We have a notes/comments in the pcc to track such things. I also think
infotext should include the errata update notification.

Keeping "multiple" copies of sets is not feasible. Keeping two copies up
to speed (6.06.x and master) is bad enough. Keeping bug fixes correct by
errata would be a logistics nightmare.

As far as a JIRA. A single Data Feature Request for the errata update
would be sufficient for EACH book that has an errata update.

Cheers,
Andrew

On 1/26/2016 2:26 PM, Doug Limmer adventure@mailworks.org
<mailto:adventure@mailworks.org> [pcgen] wrote:


On 01/26/2016 04:16 PM, Saxum Caribetum saxum.caribetum@ntlworld.com
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[pcgen] wrote:


On 2016-01-26 21:44, Doug Limmer adventure@mailworks.org
<mailto:adventure@mailworks.org> [pcgen] wrote:
In the specific case of the Scarred Witch Doctor, it sounds like
it may require a somewhat major overhaul in how not only the data
are set up, but how the code works. That will take ... a while.
Ought to be simple: [...]
Often times, what looks simple on the outside is nothing but on the
inside.

DS/DL



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